EPISODE 2 TRANSCRIPT
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January 22, 2016
2 – My Second Best Murder
In this episode, Karen & Georgia discuss Paul Bernardo the Scarborough Rapist/Schoolgirl Killer, the assassination of Robert Kennedy and Alie Ward shares a hometown high school murder story.
Episode 2: My Second Best Murder Transcribed By Kaitlyn W.
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*My Favorite Murder Theme Song*
Georgia: Hey, welcome to My Favorite Murder.
Karen: Heyyy, I’m Karen.
Georgia: I’m Georgia.
Karen: And we love murder
Georgia: We love murder. We don’t want to get murdered, we love true crime.
Karen: We love true crime, we love to talk about bad things that have happened to good people.
Georgia: Yup.
Karen: Umm
Georgia: Hopefully they won’t happen to us if we talk about it enough.
Karen: It’s as if we could ward it off with just our, uh with our positive verbal energies.
Georgia: And our anxiety over getting murdered.
Karen: Umm cause sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it a little bit.
Georgia: Yea, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.
Karen: That’s right. We’re really, we’re changing the future with our words.
Georgia: We’re diffusing the possibility of getting stabbed multiple times.
Karen: We’re diffusing the stab bomb.
Georgia: You know what I have a problem with though, whenever I talk about like murder, how I can die, or car, like on a recording, I just think about them using it when it actually happens and, in my like...
Karen: 48 hours
Georgia: Yes.
Karen: Yea. In your 20/20 episode.
Georgia: For example, there’s a vid, our new favorite show that I wouldn’t let you talk about with me.
Karen: *giggles* She was, let me, can I just tell people who are listening.
Georgia: Let’s start from the very beginning.
Karen: Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at her apartment. Because...
Georgia: She said “have you been watching the” and I said “Don’t talk about it!!”
Karen: Have you been watching, I barely had the word “watching” out and she screamed “Don’t talk about it!” But didn’t explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast. It was as if this was a forbidden subject.
Georgia: Like I literally was like “never talk about it.”
Karen: Like how I am with Sex and the City.
Together: “Don’t talk about it!!!”
Georgia: Oh you don’t want a spoiler, is that why?
Karen: Right. Ever, in my life. I want to keep that pure for the rest of my days.
Georgia: You’ve never seen, you’ve never done one episode.
Karen: Uhh I saw part of once when they went to LA and it was, it really depressed me.
Georgia: Fair enough. Okay, let’s talk about it.
Karen: Okay, it’s tal…
Georgia: I meant save it for the show.
Karen: Okay, this is the show.
Georgia: Okay, there’s, I just started watching it yesterday.
Karen: Mhmm, same with me.
Georgia: What episode are you on?
Karen: Uhh two.
Georgia: Okay, this is fun, cause I’m on like, we just finished three.
Karen: Oh okay.
Georgia: The show we’re talking about is... Making of a Murder?
Karen: Making a Murderer.
Georgia: Making a Murderer on Netflix. It’s like, think The Jinx, but fucking better.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Do you love it?
Karen: It's amazing what I think is amazing is we are truly now in this era where everyone's life has been recorded in some way.
Georgia: Mhmm.
Karen: Because there is so much footage of that guy.
Georgia: So much.
Karen: So much footage. And you realize it's because that's how everything works these days.
Georgia: Yea but he was also in the news like for the past 18 years.
Karen: Yes.
Georgia: So the story is, and it's really funny because the, there's two separate stories here. One of which, the murder, I already knew about. So as soon, and I didn't realize that that's what was going on until they started talking about the murder. So the first episode, which I thought was a standalone thing, I thought they were just going to talk about like people who got exonerated. The first episode is this story of this guy Steven Avery getting...
Karen: Spoilers.
Georgia: Yea but you're going to see the first episode so it's fine. He gets exonerated for rape after 18 years in prison.
Karen: And kind of finding out that he’s been railroaded by his own cousin and the people that live in his community.
Georgia: It's one of those like, it's like the West Memphis Three, where it's like “How the fuck did this get as far as it did.”
Karen: Yup.
Georgia: One of those like, these guys clearly, huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying, we could go to prison at any moment for anything.
Karen: Yea. Well, yes, because you pull back, you realize, it's that freaky thing, of like as you pull back and realize this is happening all over the country, all over the world. Where people in power, it's an abuse of power, and people just doing whatever they want to do.
Georgia: Totally.
Karen: There’s these amazing interviews.
Georgia: Oh my god, all the depositions, there is like hundreds of hours of depositions.
Karen: And it's these people that I swear to God if it was a sketch show, you'd be like “That guy is too broad.”
Georgia: Totally.
Karen: Like, the the mealy mouthed district attorney guy with the little glasses and the kind of perfectly balding head that was like *mocks his stutter*
Georgia: They are so depressing. Like they are the reasons, I point to all of them that I never want to work in an office job again if I can like save myself. Because those are the people you work with, and you fucking hate them.
Karen: And more so for me, is watching people lie, it's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It doesn't matter, you think you might be good at it or whatever. People know you’re lying.
Georgia: Yea how do you think, who do you think you are? Everyone knows you're lying.
Karen: And that one sheriff who is kind of big with the mustache that did the drawing.
Georgia: Yes who did the drawing and got them framed like a fucking disgusting. Like he's the guy who goes hunting and gets like, and like kills the animal with like a shot to the head and then frames it on his wall.
Karen: Crazy. I mean like just the level of uhh smugness and the way that guy would talk. Made me love the...
Georgia: He talks like I'm, you're stupid, I'm so much smarter than you, I'm going to act like it. When really…
Karen: And meanwhile he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing him, a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guys is like “let me finish” like, the lawyer ends up feeling like a teacher and this guy is like “I don't remember that!”
Georgia: Such a smug piece of shit.
Karen: So many lies.
Georgia: What do you think? Yea he's just yea, all of it.
Karen: It's so gross.
Georgia: And then it turns into, and I think we can talk about the crime because this is a murder that we probably would have eventually gotten to because it stuck with me for so, it stuck with me because of what this woman went through. The torture that she went through.
Karen: Oh no.
Georgia: Did you ever hear about it before?
Karen: I don't know. Cause I'm like right in the part where they're looking for her.
Georgia: Oh.
Karen: I mean, I obviously know she's going to get killed.
Georgia: Well do you remember there was one where she gets kidnapped and tied up and the nephew and this guy raped and tortured her. I remembered it because of the nephew part.
Karen: Okay.
Georgia: So when that started happening, and they started talking about it around the third episode, I was like “Oh shit” and then his nephew comes in and so I'm like well this is, then he did it. Because I remember this murder. But they get to a. It's crazy
Karen: So wait basically you're remembering a thing that you saw in like a 20/20 style thing, but it was wrong?
Georgia: I don't, well, that's what we're examining.
Karen: Oh, okay that's where we’re at.
Georgia: Did he commit this murder, or did they set him up? Because this guy, Steven Avery is now suing the shit out of the county that put him in jail wrongfully. And are they setting him up because this woman disappeared? Are they setting him up for the murder?
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: That's like the question they're going to answer.
Karen: I'm positive they are and I'm only halfway through the second episode.
Georgia: It's great! And it's wonderful because it's one of those things, with Serial, where episode to episode you're like “he's guilty, he's not guilty, he's guilty.” And the reason they found about it is because the nephew confessed. And you're like “well then he did it.” And then they show you, they have footage of the nephew confessing.
Karen: Oh no.
Georgia: And it is, it is troubling.
Karen: Oh no.
Georgia: Like, when you say I can tell people are lying, he's lying, this kid is making this shit up. And it's a false confession. but is it? I don't know. I'm sorry.
Karen: But is it? Who is to say? But it's that weird thing where also, it's so much easier when you're watching a documentary and going like “look at this guy!” He's so… It's been laid out for me.
Georgia: Right.
Karen: Like they were manipulating me to not like people or like people, I fall for that stuff every single time.
Georgia: Totally totally.
Karen: Every time.
Georgia: And everyone now, including us, thinks we're like fucking, we’re like sleuths, and we’re like professional and good at this and can sense things when really like we're just, we just like have a podcast and like talking about it.
Karen: Well I'll tell you this, here's one thing I can sense, is when a big fat smug guy with a mustache is lying.
Georgia: *giggles* For sure.
Karen: I know.
Georgia: For sure.
Karen: I can tell.
Georgia: Or when.
Karen: They get real, like their cadence is very condescending, like “I don't remember!!” And it's all like...
Georgia: How would I know that? How would I remember this from years ago? Fuck you.
Karen: It's so funny.
Georgia: Well you can also tell when there's a sixteen year old in a police room, being deposed by, or being questioned without parental guardians or lawyers, and being fed information. It's fucking great.
Karen: Wow.
Georgia: It's chilling. So my hope is that episode 10, don't watch it without me, like we’ll watch it together.
Karen: Oh good idea.
Georgia: We’ll get everyone together who is watching it, we can do it live, we can do a recording. Watch it together, I don't know.
Karen: That's great.
Georgia: Something will happen.
Karen: We just scream the entire time. Just a lot of screaming. *muffled screaming in background* You can't even hear it.
Georgia: Yea let’s watch ten together.
Karen: You know what’s really funny too, is, I mean, this will come out later, but people, I bet a lot of people will have watched it by the time this actually comes out.
Georgia: Yea. Well what’s fun is it’s not episodic, you can go binge the fuck out of it right now. It’s all on there.
Karen: That’s the best. But it seems like a bunch of people did that because it was like, a wildfire of people on Twitter being like “Making of a Murderer!” Like...
Georgia: Yesss.
Karen: All of a sudden in a five hour block, everyone was tweeting that they were watching it.
Georgia: Is that smart? I feel like episodic makes people more into something.
Karen: Makes you smarter?
Georgia: No. Makes people more into something.
Karen: Oh oh, like, yes. Because you just sit in your house and watch it all day.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: And it like, you, becomes your life.
Georgia: Totally. Like now that Fargo is over, what am I going to watch?
Karen: For real. God bless Fargo, right?
Georgia: Ugh, gorgeous!
Karen: The greatest?
Georgia: If Kirsten Dunst doesn’t win all the awards, even like the ones that don’t make any sense. I’m gonna be bummed.
Karen: Did I already brag to you that I know the casting director?
Georgia: Nooo!
Karen: Because she goes to my dog park?
Georgia: No!
Karen: Yea we became dog park friends, and then after chatting. And she’s just a total like one-of-us kind of gals.
Georgia: Oh my God.
Karen: And it turns out that, and so, we have each other’s phone numbers like to text because every once in awhile I’ll be like “Oh text me if you’re gonna go.” So we’ll be at the dog park at the same time.
Georgia: Holy shit. “Text me if you’re gonna go, bring Kirsten Dunst.”
Karen: *laughs* The first episode I watched, I texted her and I’m like “This show is amazing!” Cause I was, I loved the first season, and I was like there is no way the second season is going to be as good. And it was like sooo so good.
Georgia: So good! So good!
Karen: *sings* So good!
Georgia: So yea, everyone go watch, what is it? Making of a Murder?
Karen: Making of a Murderer.
Georgia: Making of a Murderer. Tell us about it. Oh I made us a Facebook fanpage. Not fan, I made a My Favorite Murder Facebook page.
Karen: Nice.
Georgia: So everyone go on there and talk about that, and tell us your umm your town murder. All the stuff.
Karen: Yes, we want to know what happened in your town that you’ve been talking about since you were ten.
Georgia: Yea. We want to know your Facebook murder, your favorite murder. What?!
Karen: *giggles* Oh my God.
Georgia: Could be the Facebook murder!
Karen: What if there was a Facebook murderer?
Georgia: There’s a Craig’s List murderer.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Yea, not a Facebook….
Karen: Cause it’s so low rent. So ratchet.
Georgia: Umm should we get to what our favorite murders are for this episode?
Karen: Yes. Do you want to go first? Or do you want me to go first?
Georgia: No, I want you to go first.
Karen: You want me to go first?
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Um, this is one of those ones where I’ve done less research on it. But I, I know the story in my heart.
Georgia: Totally. These are more fun.
Karen: It’s a murder of my heart. But it’s the Paul Bernardo, Karla Homolka umm husband and wife murder team where it was in, I believe was Toronto?
Georgia: Yes.
Karen: Umm and in the early 90’s and it was a weird power dynamic, abusive relationship. And he basically umm, he basically got his wife to help him lure teenage girls into their home so that he could rape them, and ultimately murder them. And they started off with her younger sister.
Georgia: I remember, I love this one.
Karen: It’s soo crazy! They drugged her younger sister, who was like fourteen.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Umm they put drugs in her drink and then, like they roofied her, and then he raped her and she videotaped it. This is her younger sister! *laughing*
Georgia: Her younger sister!
Karen: You thought Canada was all maple syrup and politeness.
Georgia: Totally.
Karen: And there’s one exception to that rule, and it’s Paul Bernardo. Um but the reason I like this, aside from the insanity of that part. Where they would drive around, looking for teen girls.
Georgia: It’s so scary because you think like, you see a woman and you’re like “I’m safe.”
Karen: Yup!
Georgia: Like, if some, if like let’s say for some reason I was hitch-hiking. Which I would fucking never do, because I’m terrified of murder.
Karen: *giggles*
Georgia: But. It happened that I was, and a couple stopped, I’d be like “This is okay, because the woman’s here.”
Karen: Yes.
Georgia: So, he’s not going to murder me with his like wife or whatever.
Karen: Which is, that’s how umm, you know the story of the woman who?
Georgia: Yup, in the box?
Karen: *laughs*
Georgia: Oh my god, it’s so crazy! *laughs* Yup!
Karen: Georgia, the way you just did that. I wish you guys could’ve seen…
Georgia: What did I do?
Karen: You practically winked at me you were like “Yuuuup! Say no more!” This is a day where Georgia knows everything I’m going to say to her.
Georgia: I do.
Karen: But that girl, the woman got into the car because there was a couple in the front seat. And then they put her head in a carpeted box!
Georgia: How? How?! Terrifying!
Karen: The, so awful. And then they ended up keeping her in a box under the bed for seven years? Or longer?
Georgia: Yea and then they tied her up. Did you see the photo of her tied up from her trial?
Karen: Nooo.
Georgia: They don’t show her face, but she’s like splayed naked.
Karen: Oyyy.
Georgia: And you know what the most fucked up thing about that story is? Is that they brought her home to her house to be like “Look she’s fine, everyone.”
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Right?
Karen: Yup. And that in and of itself was this big, a huge thing for him because he...
Georgia: At the trial.
Karen: ...because he had her so brainwashed. And that idea that like, there’s a syndicate that’s out to get you. So you can’t go anywhere, you can’t tell anybody.
Georgia: Yea he made her, he told her, he made her sign a thing.
Karen: Yea. That said “The Company” I think he called it
Together: “The Company”
Georgia: I mean, would you, you want to be like “I would never believe that.” As soon as I, I’ve actually, I’ve thought, I would just start screaming the minute I got in the door…
Karen: Right.
Georgia: … of my family’s house. Cause he was like “Look, we’re dating, everything’s normal. So you can stop looking for her.”
Karen: But he broke her. He broke her on the deepest psychological level.
Georgia: It can’t be that hard when you’re putting someone in boxes, to break them.
Karen: It actually isn’t, I don’t think. If you, if you feed people like only sugar, don’t let them sleep, make them jump around. That’s how cults do it.
Georgia: Really? Sugar? Really? That’s like a..
Karen: Yea. That’s how like The Moonies would do it.
Georgia: Why? Just cause your brain is…
Karen: If you don’t have enough protein and you only eat sugar then you have these weird energy bursts and you do like a lot of crazy stuff. And then you are exhausted but then they wake you up at three in the morning to go and do a weird…
Georgia: I’m putting myself in a cult, then. Because I have, just constantly. I meaaan cookies, am I right?
Karen: I meaaan, it is crazy! I need to eat more protein! So anyway…
Georgia: Yes. Yes.
Karen: … But here’s, here’s my twisteroo. That’s kind of a hometown story. So Paul Bernardo, who is the husband of this hideous, umm, they of course eventually caught him. But when they caught him, in taking his DNA, they linked him to, umm, a long standing set of unsolved rapes...
Georgia: *gasps*
Karen: … they were calling them, they were calling him the Scarborough Rapist.
Georgia: Oh my God.
Karen: And it was from a certain neighborhood in, it’s Toronto, right? I keep thinking it might be Montreal.
Georgia: It’s Canada.
Karen: It’s, I’m pretty sure it’s Toronto, but let us know if I’m wrong. Always.
Georgia: On the Facebook page.
Karen: *giggles* Give me a thumbs up if I’m wrong. But so, the Scarborough Rapist was, was, uhh, people were terrified, it went on for years.
Georgia: Scarbrough, New York?
Karen: No no no.
Georgia: In Canada.
Karen: This part of. Sorry this is the one thing I didn’t look at. I’m pretty sure it’s a neighborhood of Toronto.
Georgia: Okay. got it.
Karen: So my friend Paul Greenberg. Who, umm. You might know him from that one year that Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and he walked about behind him and just stood and stared.
Georgia: Why did he do that?!
Karen: Um it was a bit.
Georgia: Ohh okay.
*both laughing*
Karen: He’s a writer, and he’s a comic, and he’s really funny. So anyway, he told me this story, and this is my favorite.
Georgia: Love it!
Karen: So the years before uhh Paul Bernardo and his wife started killing young girls for his “pleasure” umm there was the Scarborough Rapist, and uhh, so Paul’s mother was at the time I guess, in her seventies probably. And she lived in an apartment building that had a swimming pool at the top. And she’s a really good artist. And so she would go up and swim laps every day, and ya know, she was retired and I think she lived by herself. Anyway, one day she’s up there, swimming laps. And a young man comes out onto the roof, and she doesn’t really think much of it, ya know? She’s swimming laps. And she notices that he’s walking along the pool as she’s swimming laps.
Georgia: Oh my God, like lapping….
Karen: Like lapping with her walking back and forth.
Georgia: Oh! No!
Karen: And so she like looks up and sees it and there’s no one else up there.
Georgia: That’s threatening.
Karen: So she just keeps swimming laps, and he’s like tracking her and staring at her. And she’s like, ya know, an elderly woman swimming.
Georgia: Jesus.
Karen: And he’s just, like, she said it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn’t know what to do. At one point she was just treading water and like staring and…
Georgia: Oh my God!
Karen: … didn’t know what to do. And then the door burst open, and like three families came out. And umm ya know, came to use the pool. And all the kids jumped into the pool. And he left.
Georgia: Okay. Okay.
Karen: So she got out of the pool and put on a *laughing* put on a towel! That’s really important!
Georgia: *giggling* Oh I was scared she was dripping.
Karen: Put on some flip-flops and she went down to her apartment and drew a picture of his face.
Georgia: Oh my god, yea.
Karen: Because she knew she had to do it while she remembered it.
Georgia: Wow.
Karen: So then she put the picture. She called the cops, they said ya know, it’s like a complaint or whatever. And then however many years it was later, let’s say three or five when they showed
Paul Bernardo…
Georgia: Noooo
Karen: ... on the news for this, uhh, husband and wife killing thing. The mom walks over and pulls the picture out of the drawer...
Georgia: *gasps*
Karen: ...and it’s him.
Georgia: *eek*
Karen: It was Paul Bernardo that was doing that.
Georgia: Oh my God!
Karen: So then, and later on with DNA, they linked him and…
Georgia: Did she call and was like “Listen, dudes.”
Karen: Well at that point they had, I think they had already figured out that he was also the Scarborough Rapist.
Georgia: Holy shit. So he was just raping all over the place.
Karen: And like, and doing stuff like that…
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: … like was an animal, essentially.
Georgia: You know what sucks about being a woman is you never know like, if something is nothing or not. Ya know?
Karen: Yea. That’s right
Georgia: Like you might see this guy pacing and you never see him again. Or you might go in your house and he is standing in your living room.
Karen: That’s right.
Georgia: Like what is nothing? Or like a boyfriend is stalking you, or a dude is stalking you. Is it nothing? Or is this guy going to murder me?
Karen: You just don’t know.
Georgia: I mean, not that stalking isn’t awful too. But like, is he just like obsessed for the next couple weeks until he finds someone else? Or is he a murderer?
Karen: Right. That’s like the day that I was at the dog park alone at like 7 in the morning and I looked up and there was a guy, I thought at first that he was chipping balls on one side of the dog park.
Georgia: Mhmm
Karen: And then I looked and he had a sword.
Georgia: *laughs* The fuck?
Karen: And he was just swinging a sword around and I was just like, “Well, this is either my last day on Earth, or maybe my dog will attack him, but probably not.”
Georgia: Yeaaa
Karen: It’s not really his style. Uhhh and I just waited and he eventually left.
Georgia: Was he like practicing in open space, or just being a fucking weirdo?
Karen: He was by the bushes, so there was a weird element to it.
Georgia: Jesus.
Karen: Yea. It wasn’t cool.
Georgia: It’s a… another thing aside from a woman being present, that you’re like, your guard is down, but like daytime?
Karen: Yes, morning.
Georgia: Guard is down when it’s light out.
Karen: Yea you don’t expect anything to happen.
Georgia: Which is the, why it’s the perfect time.
Karen: And dog park! The most innocent place…
Georgia: Dog park! Yea!
Karen: ...on Earth! Where only good things happen!
Georgia: And it smells! Like why would you want to go there if you didn’t have to?
Karen: Get out of there!
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: What’s uhh what’s yours?
Georgia: I feel like mines ki… okay, I’m not gonna belittle myself. Alright.
Karen: *laughs*
Georgia: Cause this is my favorite...
Karen: “I’m not gonna belittle myself!!” Of all places, not on our murder podcast, Georgia.
Georgia: No. Cause this is an interesting. Oh! Oh! I meant to add a thing to your thing. The woman, what’s her name?
Karen: Karla Homolka?
Georgia: Got out of jail a while ago.
Karen: Oh yea that’s right!
Georgia: She’s out.
Karen: That was a big part of it is she tried to say that he was controlling her mind.
Georgia: Right.
Karen: Which some people say is very possible, because she was a victim of his abuse as well…
Georgia: I knooow.
Karen: ... but at the same time.
Georgia: You’re still responsible though for what you do.
Karen: You can’t kill your younger sister and think that that’s just gonna go, ya know.
Georgia: Did they accidentally kill her? Or was it on purpose?
Karen: Ummmm
Georgia: Did they drug her and she had an overdose? I don’t remember
Karen: That could be part of the story.
Georgia: I don’t remember. But she’s out. Isn’t that weird that like, she’s just out.
Karen: Yup. That’s so let’s talk about some of the benefits of being a woman. Shorter murder sentences.
Georgia: *laughing* yea!
Karen: More umm benefit of the doubt?
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: You take some shit, you get some shit.
Georgia: Yea, and your…
Karen: The facts of life.
Georgia: ...sister’s dead and you killed her.
*both laughing*
Karen: and then you kill your sister!
Georgia: And you have to buy one less Christmas present every year.
Karen: Yea, right? Maybe the sister was a real pain in the ass!
Georgia: Do you think the parents just talk to her or no, still?
Karen: I’d say probably no.
Georgia: I knooow.
Karen: If they killed this the teen sister.
Georgia: Parents are so forgiving though.
Karen: Uhhh
Georgia: I guess that the like one line you can cross, is like killing your…
Karen: I mean who knows? It really puts them in a bad position.
Georgia: Okay, my favorite murder, okay. It’s like a.. It’s not as interesting, but it’s my favorite because I feel like it changed the course of History so drastically that everything would be different today.
Karen: Lincoln’s assassination?
Georgia: *laughing* No! But not far from that.
Karen: Okay, alright.
Georgia: I think our world would be in such a better place if this person hadn’t been killed… Robert F. Kennedy.
Karen: Oh!
Georgia: Because, he was a good person and a darling. JFK was just a fucking flashy playboy. But RFK…
Karen: *giggles* Hot take, Georgia.
Georgia: Yea. I just. I. It makes me so sad that he was killed. And I don’t think there was a conspiracy even though there’s, they try to make a million conspiracies of it. There was the girl in the polka dot dress, do you remember that?
Karen: Mhmm.
Georgia: That thing where they say there’s a girl in a polka dot dress who was mind-controlling him with some mind-control thing, that they call?
Karen: MK-Ultra?
Georgia: MK-Ultra. And she, she mind-controlled Sirhan Sirhan to shoot Robert F. Kennedy.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: And ran out, they saw, someone said she ran out of The Ambassador Hotel, where he was killed, screaming “We shot him!” And no one ever found her. Ummm yea. And and.
Karen: But if you were some kind of a super deep agent…
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: ...in the MK-Ultra program, would you be, would you yell that?
Georgia: *laughing* Yea right, you think she’d have a little more control over.
Karen: *laughing* I think you’d be better at your job than that.
Georgia: That was a really good point! Like you can do all of these things but yet you start screaming.
Karen: You snap. I mean that’s an interesting, I mean I, I don’t put it past anything that the kind of things that have gone on governmentally.
Georgia: Suure!
Karen: I believe in all of those… I believe in the idea that they were trying to train people to be like sleeper murderers.
Georgia: Do you?
Karen: That just like would wake up…
Georgia: *gasps*
Karen: … and shoot somebody.
Georgia: Do you believe that?
Karen: Yea
Georgia: How do they?
Karen: Like Manchurian Candidate style?
Georgia: Because they… do you, do you fucking hear my? Can we?
Karen: Is that your cat?”
Georgia: That’s my fucking cat screaming in the other room and this is why I can’t sleep at night.
Karen: *laughing* Maybe your cats in pain.
Georgia: She’s not, I’ve taken her to the doctor multiple times. She’s fine.
Karen: Okay.
Georgia: She’s fucking fine. She’s an idiot.
Karen: Is she screaming “We shot him?!”
Georgia: *laughing* She’s in a polka dot outfit! Calico.
Karen: Is she the sleeper agent that we’ve been fearing all along?
Georgia: Probably. She’s already ruin, wrecked, ruined my life.
Karen: Ya know what, if they could control cats, that would be it. I mean it would be over.
Georgia: That would be the cutest army. The other thing is...
Karen: The cutest army!
Georgia: ...If you’re gonna think about it. She wouldn’t have worn a polka dot.. Like why would you wear something so easily explainable?
Karen: Right
Georgia: You would wear a black dress. You’d wear pants and a … like you would look normal.
Karen: There’s so many way to blend in that’s not.
Georgia: Polka-dots.
Karen: Polka-dots always says “Heyyy look at Minnie Mouse over here!”
Georgia: “I’m fun.”
Karen: Polka-dots. White gloves.
Georgia: “I’m here to have fun!”
Karen: “It’s me, the town slut! I’m here for the shooting.”
Georgia: So you really think, who do they pick and why? Just like maybe criminals that no one will believe anyways.
Karen: Could be that. Could be like, ya know, Jason Bourne style you’re already in the army and then you got pulled into some kind of special program.
Georgia: And they just put you on so much LSD for so long that your brain is just mush.
Karen: Yup.
Georgia: Fuck, that would suck.
Karen: I know. It would be crazy. But also it’s weird that like, I don’t know. All of that stuff is so crazy because it’s like, who is it? The government or is it the maffia or is it ya know?
Georgia: Yeaaa.
Karen: The kennedy’s have not had a good time of it in terms of being murdered.
Georgia: Yea but, I think, I don’t know. Are they all just like? I think everyone in a public place in government is just a fucking puppet.
Karen: Sure.
Georgia: So it’s the rich big business people behind the scenes…
Karen: Right.
Georgia: Ya know.
Karen: The DOW chemical family? The guy from Foxcatcher?
Georgia: Oh my god, totally him. Did you watch the? That movie bored the shit out of me but then I watched umm the umm the uhh 30 for 30.
Karen: About it?
Georgia: Did you ever watch those? Yea. About it. And you’re like ohhh he, this was so perfect and correct and right, and it’s fucked up. It’s better than the movie.
Karen: Oh I have to see that,. I loved that movie.
Georgia: I was bored.
Karen: It may be because I went by myself and when I go see movies by myself it makes me feel like I’m French or something.
Georgia: Ohhhh.
Karen: I get real stuck up about myself and I’m like “I’m doing something”
Georgia: Well you’re going to see a film.
Karen: *laughing* That’s right.
Georgia: It’s not a movie.
Karen: It’s not a movie, it’s a film.
Georgia: Well I had no idea what to expect, Vince was like “There’s something about wrestling in it.” And I was like “Okay!” And like I went and I was like, this is the most boring I couldn’t, no…
Karen: I think half the audience in the theatre when I went thought it was supposed to be a Steve Carell comedy.
Georgia: *laughing* Noooo.
Karen: So they only laughed when it was like, when he brings the trophy and he’s like “I have a trophy now, mother!” Whatever he did, some weird speech. And everyone like kind of laughed, but they were just confused the whole time.
Georgia: Oh my god. They were watching a movie, you were watching a film.
Karen: I was there for the film. In my red polka-dotted dress.
Georgia: It’s good. You should watch the 30 for 30 of it.
Karen: Okay.
Georgia: Ummm yeaa. Am I allowed to do boring murders like that?
Karen: No! Yesss! Because it’s more of a concept of it. Like, what was he up to that they needed to take him out?
Georgia: Well here’s the thing, is the reasons are.. But see? The problem with me, that I have, is that the reason Sirhan Sirhan, who was arrested and is in prison for life for it, killed him, makes complete sense. Where as like, umm what’s his little squirrely name? Who killed...
Karen: Lee Harvey Oswald?
Georgia: Lee Harvey Oswald. Like whaat? Doesn’t really sound. So RFK was a supporter of Israel. Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian-Jordanian immigrant and the day that RFK was killed was on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War. So he killed RFK for his support of Israel. Which makes sense.
Karen: Can you talk me through the Six Days War real fast?
Georgia: Israel kicked, theeey kicked ass for like six days.
Karen: Oh.
Georgia: It was a bad, I have a whole book on it if you want, it’s real boring.
Karen: Alright.
Georgia: It’s real boring.
Karen: Is that how they set up The Strip or whatever?
Georgia: Oh maybe. Yea, prob... Yea!
Karen: Is that how they got their walls?
Georgia: Yea! I don’t know
Karen: I know nothing about anything really.
Georgia: But so he… yea. So that makes sense as, why this crazy person, there wasn’t a lot of body-guards going on at The Ambassador Hotel. RFK had just won the democratic, or was about to win the preliminaries umm in California. So he’s at, he’s in a room full of people who are supporting him. So he doesn’t have that much. Ya know. I, yea.
Karen: Reason to fear things?
Georgia: Right.
Karen: right. But there’s gotta be. The weird thing is, didn’t that guy work at that hotel?
Georgia: No.
Karen: Oh, he didn’t?
Georgia: Was he the bus boy?
Karen: I thought he was at least dressed up as the bus boy. There are people who have dedicated their lives to studying this shit.
Georgia: And they hate us.
Karen: And we’re sitting here…
Georgia: So much!
Karen: *valley girl talk* Wasn’t it? Didn’t it happen at a hotel?
Georgia: Listen. We, here at My Favorite Murder, we’re fucking talking mad shit, and if you want something more than that, then you need to go watch a documentary.
Karen: Then, read your books.
Georgia: Yea, we’re not pretending to be good talkers.
Karen: No.
Georgia: Uhh so yea, and then there’s also uhh a theory that if you listen to the recording, there are more than eight shots fired, which Sirhan Sirhan only had a gun, a .22 caliber with eight rounds in it.
Karen: Wow.
Georgia: But you can hear like up to 13 maybe. So maybe there was a second shooter.
Karen: Well it sounds like there would have to be, Unless there was echoing.
Georgia: But I just, feel like, if you watch documentaries about RFK, his like, his stance on racism and what he was doing for the poor, and for minorities was so extreme from anything we’ve, any way we’ve ever treated people before.
Karen: Right.
Georgia: I think our world would have been a fucking much better place! I think that, honestly like, I think that there was a break in the space-time continuum and everyone else when he didn’t die got to live in a great fucking world and we’re stuck in this bullshit where he got killed.
Karen: Wow.
Georgia: I really do think there was like a, what do you call them?
Karen: Alternate reality?
Georgia: Alternate reality.
Karen: A Sliding Door starring Gwyneth Paltrow?
Georgia: Yes. And Gwyneth Paltrow, we got stuck with her in this one. *both laughing* And in the other one there’s no Gwyneth Paltrow.
Karen: In the other one it’s Sandy Bullock the whole time!
Georgia: Yea, all Sandy Bullock all the time.
Karen: Good times.
Georgia: Life is better, and here we are.
Karen: Well that’s dark, but uhh..
Georgia: Well thank you.
Karen: … I like the concept of it. Like imagine a world where somebody, a leader who actually really did have the people’s best intentions at heart, got through. Cause that almost seems impossible these days.
Georgia: I think he, I think he had that and I think we didn’t deserve it. And he couldn’t live because...
Karen: I deserve it!
Georgia:... cause we didn’t fucking deserve it.
Karen: I’m such a good person!
*both laughing*
Georgia: Not you and I. Clearly you and I are the best, right?
Karen: I’m super nice to everybody all the time.
Georgia: Are you?
Karen: I’m really understanding. Uh-huh. So patient.
Georgia: I’m so patient.
Karen: I’m so patient and kind.
Georgia: I don’t care when people drive like shit, I won’t scream at them.
Karen: I don’t scream terrible things out the window of my car. People or...others.
Georgia: We don’t sit at a diner and talk shit on every single person.
Karen: Oh my god. Is it time? Here’s our second podcast, Diner-Time where we talk public mad shit!
Georgia: Where we don’t know our mics and talk shit on every single person.
Karen: That would be, I feel like, I can’t believe that hasn’t happened yet.
Georgia: Just truth?
Karen: Just like a, well I mean I think there are some people that do podcasts, mistakenly. But umm the idea of that, a gossip podcast where people just talk shit.
Georgia: That would be great!
Karen: Wouldn’t you listen to it every? If they put out five a week you’d listen to every one?
Georgia: Yea. But could we be anonymous and no one knows who we really are?
Karen: Well we can’t now. It’s too late for us.
Georgia: Well maybe two other random girls have a podcast on Feral Audio, isn’t that weird? And it’s just these two anonymous girls and they talk mad shit? They sound a lot like Karen and Georgia!
Karen: Oh those girls from Ohio?
Georgia: Yea yea yea!!
Karen: Oh yea yea yea
Georgia: Those girls. They’re bitches. Let’s talk shit about those girls.
Karen: Let’s talk shit, mad shit.
Georgia: Okay, yea so, those were two good ones.
Karen: Those were pretty good ones. Here’s. The first thing I thought of when you said Robert Kennedy.
Georgia: Uh-huh.
Karen: you know how he had a hand in shutting down that umm I shouldn’t get into this one, cause it’s a whole other topic.
Georgia: say it quick.
Karen: It’s uhh I think it was called Westbrook, or Brookhaven, or Sunnybrook. But it’s that mental hospital that’s on Long Island or Staten Island I mean. That got shut down in the 60’s because they were basically just taking developmentally disabled children and throwing them into big dark rooms.
Georgia: Oh my god!
Karen: And hosing them off every day and like, it was, I think it was one of Geraldo’s first expose’s.
Georgia: Yes! He went in there, I remember that!
Karen: Yup. And they, like, the single light on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from today.
Georgia: I’ve seen that!
Karen: Where it’s just kids huddled up? And when Robert Kennedy saw that he went and shut that place down himself. That’s the first thing I thought of. But that’s where they think there’s a serial killer that lives on the grounds of that hospital.
Georgia: That, there’s a, what’s it called, something-sey. Yes, there’s a ...
Karen: Clancey…
Georgia: Clancey or something like that.
Karen: What’s that called? I know it, I’ve watched the movie!
Georgia: There’s a netflix! It’s so good!
Karen: It’s really good! Umm.
Georgia: It’s called, Stocksey, noooo.
Karen: Cropsey!
Georgia: Cropsey!
Karen: That’s it. It’s really good and creepy.
Georgia: Remember a Word, with Karen and Georgia.
Karen: Sound it out and work it out.
Georgia: It’s a Banksy! Oh my god we just solved who Banksy is!
Karen: Banksy’s Cropsey! Banksy’s killing developmentally disabled children on Staten Island.
Georgia: Yea, that’s some fucked up shit. Unfortunately they also, then, like Reagan uhh and Nixon just opened the fucking asylums and let everyone go, which is probably why we have this homeless problem and mental illness issues.
Karen: My mom was a psychiatric nurse and she, in the late 70’s and early 80’s when that proposition came up.
Georgia: Was it Nix? It was Reagan.
Karen: It was Reagan.
Georgia: Sorry Nixon!
Karen: Nixon was long gone. But she used to rant about it every single night. And she called exactly what’s happening today. She’s like “These people will have nowhere to go. They’ll be wandering on the streets. They’ll be assaulting people. They’ll be like these people need to be taken care…”
Georgia: And the drug epidemic.
Karen: And this is the coldest, like the idea that a leader would be like, you don’t take care of the people that need help the most. And you just shut off all funding for that and say “It’s not our problem.” Creates such huge problems.
Georgia: It’s sick. Listen I’m gonna say it right now, I’d rather pay more taxes to get people mental fucking help and not have as much money myself, than live in a world where we don’t fucking take care of people and they’re just, rampant mental illness and homeless and starving people.
Karen: Yea. And that idea of “It’s too bad for you. I got mine.” When how did you even get yours? People helped you.
Georgia: Right. Totally.
Karen: horrible.
Georgia: Everything is horrible. And if RFK hadn’t died, that would have never fucking happened.
Karen: What if he went and fist fought Reagan
Georgia: *gasps*
Karen: And that was like, it was an actual battle.
Georgia: I did not hear fist-fought. I heard something totally else. And I just can’t keep it to myself.
Karen: That’s what I just heard when you said it! I was like why’d she say that? When you thought what…
Georgia: You said fist-fought.
Karen: Past-tense of fist-fight. Is what I said.
Georgia: That’s not what I heard. Uhh yeaa, they should have fought.
Karen: The *giggles* they should have fist-fought.
Georgia: Fist-fought. Umm where am I? Umm yea. In alternative universe-ville there is just the most beautiful silence and we go there sometimes when we just need a break.
Karen: Yea. In a garden.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: And rest.
Georgia: And everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication.
Karen: And the medication is free.
Georgia: Flowing. Over-flowing. Just bowls of medication everywhere. Like fountains! Fountains of
Prozak! I’ll take it. Up in my mouth, Like just stick my head under the.
Karen: I’d get some! Just relax.
Georgia: Yea there’s the adderall fountain. It’s never abused. Isn’t that great?
Karen: Everyone graduates from college.
Georgia: Ohhhh drugs. Uhh let’s, okay so now is the time in our lives when we have a guest tell us their uhh their our favorite thing in the world, their town crime.
Karen: Yes.
Georgia: We love it, like what’s a crime that happened in your town that like you remember when you were a kid and you’re like “Holy shit, this thing happened and it’s amazing.” Tell us on Facebook Page. We’re just calling it Facebook Page now.
Karen: *laughs* Facebook Page the Facebook Page.
Georgia: Tell us on Facebook Page your town, don’t message us, cause we don’t care. Put it on the page like so everyone can bask in it.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Don’t put a link, tell it in your fucking words. Put a link too, cause that’s cool.
Karen: It’s almost like a Creepy-Pasta that you’re writing.
Georgia: Totally.
Karen: But it’s your uhh, it’s true.
Georgia: Tell us.
Karen: Don’t make it up, we’ll know.
Georgia: Oh yea. We can fact check this, We won’t fact check it. We can fact check it.
Karen: We won’t fact check it.
Georgia: So our story this week comes from our friend Alie Ward.
Karen: Woo!
Georgia: She is a friend of mine, we’re on shit together. She’s also on Innovation Nation on Saturday mornings. Alie Ward. You can find her by that name on everything. Okay so here’s her message.
Alie Ward: Hey what’s up, it’s Alie. So okay. You asked me to call and tell you about this murder that happened at my High School. I went to school in Orinda California which is this like very wealthy nice suburb near Berkeley. I went to Miramonte and they had a really good college prep program. They had like a Latin program. So my family lived in the area. Umm but Orinda was known for being this very suburb with this horrendous, like so such a stupid murder that it seems fake. But um what happened was this girl named Kirsten Costas was a popular girl, she was from a very affluent family as well. She was like a cheerleader and she was part of the Sorority program at my high school, which sounds like, I’m sorry it was a high school, but there were sororities in my high school. That’s how much extra money people had. So there were these two competing sororities. Anyway there was this girl named Bernadette Protti who was in the lesser sorority I think? And she was really jealous of Kirsten and she was always trying to befriend her, but she told her at one point that she was going to take her to this dinner for new pledges or whatever. And according to police records and everything, they went to this dinner. Kirsten was like annoyed because there wasn’t any food being served. I don’t know, cause like, that part sounds weird, because what teenager in the 1980’s eats, like none of them. Anyway, Bernadette got weird, according to Kirsten and then Kirsten fled to a neighbor’s house and said “My friend is acting weird” and they’re like “Okay, I’ll drive you home.” So they, this like neighbor drove her home, and then there was a Pinto following them the whole way. In the Pinto was Bernadette Protti with an 18 INCH KNIFE! KNIFE IN HER CAR IN HER PINTO! So the neighbor drops off Kirsten, Bernadette runs up to the door. The neighbor thought he saw a fist-fight, but no it was a knife-fight! A one person knife-fight. And Bernadette just stabbed the shit out of Kirsten Costa, totally killed her. Umm she died before she even got to the hospital. And Bernadette got sentenced. But she got out, but this time she was like 23. But she wasn’t implicated for months, she passed the lie detector test. I guess no one saw that it was her doing the stabbing. I don’t know why they weren’t like “Who drives this Pinto?” And they were like it was Bernadette, she killed her. I don’t know. But they made a movie called Death of a Cheerleader starring Tori Spelling as Kirsten who gets stabbed, And there’s lore that Heathers is based on the high school that I went to. Which is why I was goth when I went there, cause I was like “I’m not having any part in this you guys, no one wants to be friends with me anyway.” Anyway! Murder! That’s such a big blade! *girls laughing* 18 inches my Lord. Anyway. Don’t join a sorority, they’re full of bad people. Okay bye!
Karen: Wow.
Georgia: Holy mackerel.
Karen: She really hit it out of the park on that one.
Georgia: That’s a good story.
Karen: Cheerleaders stabbing each other!
Georgia: Yea. I can’t believe she’s out! She got out. Why do people get out? Of prison.
Karen: Well uhhh, cause they start young and then it’s like insanity maybe?
Georgia: Fuck. Man.
Karen: That’d be good to know about that one.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Cause that uhh, gives you a lot of hope.
Georgia: Definitely change your name. I’m really fascinated with like child murderers.
Karen: Mary Bell.
Georgia: Mary Bell. There’s those two boys in England who took that, kidnapped that little kid at the mall.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: So they all got out by the time they were ya know not even, they got out at 18 or whatever the fuck.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Changed their name and left. And I just want to talk to them so bad.
Karen: Well because if you’re a child murderer, something hideous is happening to you.
Georgia: Yea
Karen: That’s the fascinating thing about the Mary Bell case. Her mother was selling her to men when she was a child.
Georgia: Oh my God.
Karen: The rage that was in her, it doesn’t come from nowhere.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: It’s not just like ya know, I’m, it was impulsive or whatever. This is someone acting out, it’s like a weird cry for help.
Georgia: Totally.
Karen: There’s a really good like uh British made for tv movie about Mary Bell.
Georgia: Really?
Karen: Yea. That kind of goes into that.
Georgia: Fucking vintage murders, man.
Karen: Come on.
Georgia: They’re so interesting.
Karen: Because you take it at face value, and you’re like that’s crazy, a six year old that murdered a little boy.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: But. That’s not… yea. There’s more to it, always.
Georgia: Fuuuck.
Karen: What was the?
Dustin: Umm sorry, I have a message from Alie Ward
Georgia: Uh-oh
Dustin: Uhhh
Georgia: Uh-oh hold on. Alie Ward called Dustin
Dustin: Sent me a text. She forgot to mention that the murderer’s sister said she kept an 18 inch knife in her Pinto to slice vegetables while she drove
*everyone laughs*
Georgia: As one does!
Karen: Ya know what? I smell a rat.
Georgia: I smell, listen man, if I know one of my siblings are guilty of murder, I’m going to fucking tell on you.
Karen: Yes!
Georgia: Ya know why? Because the siblings of the murdered person matter more.
Karen: I’m also, ya know, as a creative person, I would take pride in the lie that I’m telling.
Georgia: Oh sure.
Karen: And slicing vegetables while I drive is a poor, it’s a poor lie.
Georgia: I mean, and we all know you, all you do is use a fucking uhh exacto knife. What are those blades called that are?
Karen: Yea like a box cutter?
Georgia: Yea. When you cut your vegetables in your car while you’re driving. Just use a fucking box cutter.
Karen: Or just some kitchen scissors.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Chop up. Yea, nothing about that even makes sense.
Georgia: None of it
Karen: It’s like, what are you?
Georgia: Let’s get her on the podcast.
Karen: what are we
Georgia: What the fuck were you? Let’s piss her off on the podcast and see what happens.
Karen: Also think of an an 18 inch blade is six inches longer than a 12 inch blade. It’s more…
Georgia: Yea. It’s like a kitchen knife…
Karen: ...It’s almost two feet long.
Georgia: A kitchen knife is like a 12 inch. So that’s even more. Like, think of a kitchen knife, now think of an extra blade on top of it. Double blade.
Karen: We’re going into katana sword area.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: With the.. With the length of this knife.
Georgia: Let’s put the knife show on.
Karen: Let’s get Cutlery Corner goin.
Georgia: Cutlery corner is the best! If you don’t get high and watch the knife show, I don’t smoke pot, I’m not condoning it, something is wrong with you.
Karen: It’s… Sometimes it’s on perfectly after a comedy show is over. That’s what happened once when I was in San Francisco. We came back and it was like 2:15 and I couldn’t go to sleep. And I was like “Well look who’s here!
Georgia: *giggles*
Karen: All the assorted knives!
Georgia: That’s the one! Ummm should we worp it up? Wrap it up?
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Go to Facebook Page.
Karen: *singing* Facebook paaage. Go to any Facebook page
Georgia: Any one.
Karen: And.
Georgia: Talk about us.
Karen: And visit people and just live your life.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Digitally.
Georgia: Don’t leave your house. You’re going to get murdered if you leave your house.
Karen: And definitely talk about us on Facebook Page.
Georgia: Yea, talk about us on Facebook Page. Tell everyone on Reddit to listen. I feel like Reddit people would like this podcast a lot. But I’m not on Reddit.
Karen: I feel, it might be frustrating to some Reddit types who like…
Georgia: Facts?
Karen: ...facts and like fluidly, chronologically told story.
Georgia: Please. Again. Go watch the documentary. This is not what we’re here for.
Karen: We’re like ummm we’re like a puree. We’re like a Jamba Juice of facts.
Georgia: Yea. Yea, that. We’re like ummm we’re like uhh what are those two guys in uhh in Vegas who play with tigers.
Karen: Yup.
Georgia: We’re those guys with tigers.
Karen: Totally.
Georgia: Like you’re not gonna find out the history of tigers and what ya know, what they’re about. You’re gonna see the best part of the tiger.
Karen: And our tans.
Georgia: And our tans.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Yea.
Karen: Our teeth, our tans, and the best part of the tiger.
Georgia: And hopefully we don’t get mauled by our tiger, which is the murders.
Karen: Can i just say this and then we’ll stop?
Georgia: Please
Karen: The day that there was a story in the paper of how the um,, it was either Seigfried or Roy, I can’t remember which one got attacked. But the day that was in the paper, about him being mauled by the tiger, was the same day that they caught the Green River Killer.
Georgia: *gasps*
Karen: And I remember going from, I was reading the LA times, and it went from like one small story, turn the page, the other small story where i was like…
Georgia: Oh my god
Karen: ...both of these stories are the hugest things to happen in the last twenty years and they were both like four column, like tiny tiny stories.
Georgia: People don’t know what’s important anymore.
Karen: No they really don’t.
Georgia: It’s like our media, man, is telling us how to live
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Well that’s a good, I like that. It’s a little tie, a little bow-tie on the.
Karen: I tied it up!
Georgia: Good job!
Karen: Thanks
Georgia: Hey listen to us on other stuff and go to us on other places
Karen: We have other things.
Georgia: We live other lives sometimes.
Karen: Umm but we’re slowly building so that this takes over everything.
Georgia: Yea, make sure this takes over everything for your life too.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Get obsessed with this.
Karen: Yea.
Georgia: Go to Feral Audio.
Karen: Feral Audio everybody!
Georgia: There you go! We’re Karen and Georgia.
Karen: Thanks for listening.
Georgia: Thanks!
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